にほんご べんきょうする ひとたち

[anon22547673]

にほんご を べんきょう する ひと の ため の ばしょ です。
はなしかけて みたり、
しつもん を してみましょう。

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役に立つ機会は少ないとは思うけれど一応建てておくスレです。外国人利用者の加入頻度を考えると年に一回くらいは必要になるかも？

たぶん普段は私が細々使うだけだと思うけれど、みなさんも遠慮なく投稿してください。

[anon22547673]

イキってこんなスレ建てた手前、なにか投稿しなくてはと思うものの、特に何も思い浮かばないのでありました。

注射だけで治る。
注射でだけ治る。

この2つの文↑、使われてる単語が全く同じ。

……こんなことを書いても意味ないんだけどね

[karasa]

アニメでよく聞くんだけど、言葉が「よ」という音で終わるのをよく耳にします。インターネットではそれが「ね」と同じ意味だと書かれていますが、違いを説明してもらえませんか？

[karasa]

@anon22547673

注射だけで治る。
注射でだけ治る。

The translator says:

Лечение только уколом.
Лечить только уколом.

Treatment is by injection only.
Treat with injections only.

[anon22547673]

注射だけで治る。

You can be treated by injection. And you don’t need other treatments.

注射でだけ治る。

You can be treated by injection. And no other treatments are effective.

Quite difficult comparison, so translators can be fooled.

[anon22547673]

Repost from another thread.

Quick explanation, here.

よ is attached to a clause. It expresses the speaker’s relatively firm opinion, emotion, or rarely annoyance towards the hearer.
And it can also indicates the speaker’s friendliness towards the hearer.

Compare these sentences…

あっちに行こう。
Let’s go there.

あっちに行こうよ。
(Come on,) let’s go there.

Though, in an informal conversation よ often lacks this sense of emotion. In that case it can’t be semantically distinguished from ね.

But be aware!
These two words are quite different in many occasions.

[karasa]

こんにちは、親愛なる友達の@Komori ！私は初めての日本語の瞑想を録音しました。私にとってはひどい出来栄えだと思います 、でもこれからも練習を続けます。あなたが聞いて評価してくれると嬉しいです。

ひきこもりのための瞑想 。恐怖を克服して世界に心を開くにはどうすればよいでしょうか？

[anon22547673]

I’m listening it right now.

We’ve a long way to go of course, but still I’m proud of you Анатолий, you’ve made your first step towards success.

Notes for pronunciation.
-you finely pronounced each ‘single’ sound of Kana, like あ, い, う, え, お.

Except you are saying ‘O’ sound sometimes reducing to æ, like Russian pronunciation, you need to stop this habit.

-Considering about ‘continual’ sound, however, you need much more practice. Let me say this is terribly bad…yet.
But we don’t need to be sad. We always can be better by placing our effort to it.

Could I see the script of the dialogue?

[anon22547673]

Let me give you some guidelines.
From 18:00~ in the video.

(今)、(弱く無防備な自分の一部であると感じながら)、(自分自身が) (実際に) (自分自身の内なる守護者を創り出したという考えに集中してみましょう)。(なぜなら)、(あなたは大人や周囲の人々に依存していたからです)。(あなたの生存と世界は彼らに依存していました)。(しかし)、(今は)(もはやそうではありません)。(自分自身以外の誰も)、(何も)、(あなたの内なる状態を創り出すことはできないことを自覚してください)。(なぜなら)、(あなたは自分に力を取り戻し)、(創造する力を持つからです)。

Do not insert any pause inside of these parentheses.

Japanese language do not has ‘stressing’ accentuation, like English or Russian. You need to be like a transient instrument like a piano, not like a violin or other string instruments.
Each sound represented by Kana must be pronounced relatively short, flat, and has same length of time.

[karasa]

@anon22547673

I’m listening it right now.

We’ve a long way to go of course, but still I’m proud of you Анатолий, you’ve made your first step towards success.

Notes for pronunciation.
-you finely pronounced each ‘single’ sound of Kana, like あ, い, う, え, お.

Except you are saying ‘O’ sound sometimes reducing to æ, like Russian pronunciation, you need to stop this habit.

-Considering about ‘continual’ sound, however, you need much more practice. Let me say this is terribly bad…yet.
But we don’t need to be sad. We always can be better by placing our effort to it.

Could I see the script of the dialogue?

Thanks for your support, it means a lot to me. Meditation scenario in this thread ひきこもり向け瞑想の翻訳

[anon22547673]

Your voice are fitting very nicely with this kind of topic, by the way. Nice one.

[karasa]

@anon22547673

Japanese language do not has ‘stressing’ accentuation, like English or Russian. You need to be like a transient instrument like a piano, not like a violin or other string instruments.
Each sound represented by Kana must be pronounced relatively short, flat, and has same length of time.

What I like most about the Japanese language is its melodiousness. So far for me it is very difficult, but I believe that I will succeed

[karasa]

生きることからこんなにも楽しみを得ると、 天が震えて賞賛する。 それから神々は集まって言うだろう― こんなにも素晴らしい人生を創造して、 激しく、喜びに満ちて、楽しく過ごしたいと　　#哲学 #心理学

And when I say it so quickly, is it more correct?

[karasa]

arigatto Komori

[anon22547673]

Yeah, it is better.
But not great enough.

Let’s have some practice every day.
Like, shadowing the good examples.

———

https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000074/files/424_19826.html

It’s a short novel ‘Lemon’ by Motojiro Kajii.

『檸檬』作・梶井基次郎　朗読：窪田等

【睡眠導入　朗読】檸檬/梶井基次郎【周央サンゴ】

These are good examples of narrating of the novel. It takes you only 20 minutes for each session.

[anon22547673]

I’ll post a Hiragana version of the novel later.

I have a thing to do in real life so I’ll be off for about 40~60 minutes. Sorry​

[karasa]

I listen all the time but when it comes to speaking my mouth turns to stone

I found this channel

[Eng Sub] A Walk with a Dog | Japanese Listening Practice

[karasa]

@anon22547673

I’ll post a Hiragana version of the novel later.

I have a thing to do in real life so I’ll be off for about 40~60 minutes. Sorry​

I wish you success in real life

[anon22547673]

Yeah, I definitely know the difficulty. Actually, my tongue going to be like a fixed stone as well, when I try to speak in English.
And Russian? My tongue become a stone. Not like a stone. Just a stone.

I start converting the novel into Hiragana now.

[karasa]

@anon22547673

Yeah, I definitely know the difficulty. Actually, my tongue going to be like a fixed stone as well, when I try to speak in English.
And Russian? My tongue become a stone. Not like a stone. Just a stone.

I start converting the novel into Hiragana now

The most important thing is not to give up and keep learning! I believe that in a couple of years, I’ll be able to speak fluently. Good luck with your translation into Hiragana!"